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>beer before the 1800s wasn't carbonated
all of my time travel fantasies just went out the window. what are some other lame things you wouldn't think about but are true of the past?
- Anonymous
3 days ago
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Beer in the medieval ages sounds basically like mouldy bread water, bet it was rank
- Anonymous
3 days ago
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It was, there was hardly another way to purify water enough. During the renaissance people switched from beer to coffee and productivity and wealth exploded
- Anonymous
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I wish there was a comprehensive history written on the role of alcohol throughout European history, my general feeling is that alcohol must have really fricked the brain development of the majority of people in this time (albeit alongside poor nutrition and other health issues). I'm guessing kids were chugging it back from a pretty early age too? Might've been a contributor to how short and stunted everyone was, and their horrible teeth as well.
- Anonymous
3 days ago
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Beer was making the best of a bad situation. Now it is culture LMAO
- Anonymous
2 days ago
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Kids were often given vodka or pálinka soaked bread to make them shut up, the cultural presursor to ipad+co*ke
- Anonymous
2 days ago
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It would have been difficult to brew beer to a sufficient ABV% to be really harmful before modern brewing techniques. Until the late middle ages/renaissance beer was brewed a couple gallons per batch at home by dropping heated river stones into a trough or bucket containing a kind of porridge of malted and crushed barley. There is a style of Finnish ale called sahti that is still brewed in the same way today.
Because the system was so inefficient and small scale most beers might have only come out to 3-4% abv. on average. Master brewers would have had much better control over their equipment to get better results but for the most part beer was a mildly alcoholic, sweet malt drink. Especially if it was unhopped and brewed at home it would've been very sweet with some locally available herbs as bitterants
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Part of the problems with beer was the addition of hops. Hops are similar to cannabis and make you sleepy and slow, while also being estrogenic over time. Hops were made mandatory in Germany in 1516 with the Reinheitsgebot. Before then people made ales with local herbs called a gruit. These herbs could be used for flavor and preservation, or even for medicinal purposes. Some herbs were mild stimulants or even hallucinogenic. While hops completely revolutionized the brewing industry due to their strength as a preservative, there was also other motives as well, for example the Catholic Church taxed gruit herbs in cities. Of course farmers and rural folk could still use whatever herbs they had around, importing herbs was taxed while hops were considered a weed, and therefore not taxed, so they could be considered a sort of loophole to save money. This led to hopped beer becoming a symbol of the Protestant Reformation, with beer being heavily promoted by Luther.
- sage
2 days ago
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serious question, when did people realize boiling water makes it completely potable? people building caravels and castles HAVE to know that...right?
- Anonymous
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They definitely knew by the 18th century, you end up with funny recipes from that time that call for boiling water for like 2 -4 hours because they weren't sure how long it took to make it safe.
- Anonymous
3 days ago
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>mouldy
you can put e-coli and salmonella in beer mix before brewing and afterwards these microbes will be completely destroyed, the yeast just takes over everything and it is not harmful to humans (different from the yeast in your fat gf's stank puss*)- Anonymous
3 days ago
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haha what an epic riposte! mind if I reupload this to /r/sh*t/his/says?
- Anonymous
2 days ago
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yes, I hate reddit, what are you saying
- Anonymous
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It was, there was hardly another way to purify water enough. During the renaissance people switched from beer to coffee and productivity and wealth exploded
Nonsense you zoomer, it wouldn't have been worse without bubbles. Maybe the women were not attractive because not shaven and tattooed either?
The downer was that it couldn't have been refrigerated; some half-measures like a cellar were only half-effective and you couldn't even keep it in some cold well or stream because no bottles.
Seriously, the bottles are a sign of an advanced civilization. When someone tells you that there WAS an advanced civilization before which somehow self-destroyed then ask him: where are the bottles?Please don't be moronic. Beer wasn't *artificially* carbonated. While carbonation levels varied wildly, and were often lower than we are used to today (due to the lack of efficient seals on brewing apparatuses, and limited storage options), most styles of beer have always had some *naturally occurring* carbonation, going back millennia.
Interesting thread. But it likely was slightly carbonated no? Like the fermentation process itself has to make it at least a bit carby, like kefir.
Yes. Thank you.
Beer was making the best of a bad situation. Now it is culture LMAO
Beer could be culture, or necessity, depending on the region.
- Anonymous
3 days ago
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Interesting thread. But it likely was slightly carbonated no? Like the fermentation process itself has to make it at least a bit carby, like kefir.
- Anonymous
3 days ago
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>what are some other lame things you wouldn't think about but are true of the past?
Being a cowboy was a boring wagie job.Medieval battles were only a small part of actual war, which mostly just meant camping and marching until you die of dysentery.
Much of colonialism wasn't as glorious as it was made out to be and you have better chances of benefitting from wars today than you would have as a colonial soldier centuries ago.
Most people in the past lived, travelled, and died less than 10 miles from where they were born.
Life on a ship was a fricking nightmare.
Surgery was basically glorified butchery before the late 19th century. Better hope you don't need to have one.
- Anonymous
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>Life on a ship was a fricking nightmare.
This, it sounds fricking horrid
The funniest accounts come from nobleman sons who got duped by "muh romance of the sea" and enlisted to become officers, but then ended up crying themselves to sleep each night shoved in a corner of the hull right above all the piss and sh*t in the bilge water.- Chud Anon
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You commission as an officer, not enlist
- Anonymous
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Idk the exact terminology but they did elect to become midshipman
It was an appealing offer for some because you could could rise faster in the ranks than in the army, which was necessary because most noblemen would've otherwise preferred to frick around on their horses in the army than stuck on a rotting tub- Chud Anon
2 days ago
At least you got to frick prostitutes in foreign ports instead of bri’ish women
- Anonymous
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>limes solve the scurvy problem
>rum
>could make a fortune buying shares in the ship's cargo or prize ship money
>allowed samples of cocoa and tobacco
>asked politely by Polynesian chieftains to impregnate their women to help alleviate their small island inbreeding problem
>the cabin boy (18) insists on taking his clothes off and snuggling with you to sleep every night, with his soft skin it is easy to imagine he is your sweetheart back home, no one thinks anything of it because it is not unusual to share a bed with someone back then
>be an officer so decent quarters and alcohol and peaceful evenings playing the violin
>completely memorize the name of every rope and sail on the ship
>everyone sh*ts and pisses into the sea, no problem there
>get to listen to the men's bawdy sea shanties- Anonymous
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>cabin boy
>18
janny hom*osexualry once again stands in the way of historicity
- Anonymous
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> Being a cowboy was a boring wagie job.
This
I am literally an IRL modern day cowboy and it’s a Mexican tier job. There are no cool gunfights or bounty hunting, just taking care of animals for low pay. And it was basically the same job in the 19th century only they did not have convenient technologies like quads and automatic water plumbing for drinking troughs.- Anonymous
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I think this idea mostly exists because we just call everyone in the time period cowboys while the sheriff/bandits/mercenaries were the ones seeing any action. There were people just cooking and cleaning in the Caribbean while the pirates took home the loot but we call it a pirate kingdom regardless.
- Anonymous
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> Being a cowboy was a boring wagie job.
This
I am literally an IRL modern day cowboy and it’s a Mexican tier job. There are no cool gunfights or bounty hunting, just taking care of animals for low pay. And it was basically the same job in the 19th century only they did not have convenient technologies like quads and automatic water plumbing for drinking troughs.I thought cowboys were supposed to own their own flock?
Anyway in the Icelandic saga Hrafnkels saga, a man is told by his father to go seek employment elsewhere because the farm had enough labour already
The man goes off and tries to find work but he knows that at that time, the positions had already been filled and so it was unlikely that he’d get anything
He does manage to find someone willing to give him work but the man is hesitant to mention what job it was because he said it was far beneath him and he didn’t want to offend him
It was being a shepherd
There are other examples of shepherds as a wage job in the sagas- Anonymous
2 days ago
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Almost never. Cowboys either escorted somebody else’s herd to market or to different grazing grounds. If you have the money for a decent sized herd of cattle, you also have enough money to pay somebody else to deal with them.
- Anonymous
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>Life on a ship was a fricking nightmare.
On military ship, because they ridiculously overcrowded. On the merchants it was ok. Merchants even had fresh eggs and meat during voyage because they could afford to take chickens with them.
- Anonymous
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A lot of people think of great campaigns and battles such as the conquest of gaul or the end of clusterfrick without putting any thought into the logistics of it all. The high score winner in ancient naval battles tended to be poseidon
- Anonymous
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Nonsense you zoomer, it wouldn't have been worse without bubbles. Maybe the women were not attractive because not shaven and tattooed either?
The downer was that it couldn't have been refrigerated; some half-measures like a cellar were only half-effective and you couldn't even keep it in some cold well or stream because no bottles.
Seriously, the bottles are a sign of an advanced civilization. When someone tells you that there WAS an advanced civilization before which somehow self-destroyed then ask him: where are the bottles?- Anonymous
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Are botls the new bomes???
- Anonymous
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People would put raisins or other fried fruit in the bottle after the initial fermentation to carbonate the bottle. Not sure when this practice started but people have been sealing beer in bottles since the Renaissance. Before that ales were usually made in the household and drunk/sold almost immediately so they probably weren't bottled.
- Anonymous
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Myth, beer has always been carbonized, even in the neolithic when they used clay jars they lined it with cloth and weighed down the lid to create a seal. It was essential to the brewing process, gas would hiss out but never in, preventing contamination. If that wasn't enough, beer, cider, mead and wine could be bottled and corked shortly before it had completely finished brewing, the remaining gas produced carbonizing the drink. Glass blowing dates back to the Roman era, while not mass produced and disposable like nowadays they certainly had bottles.
- Anonymous
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>>beer before the 1800s wasn't carbonated
>all of my time travel fantasies just went out the window.
The lack of refrigeration wasn't a concern? You are happy to drink warm carbonated sour piss smelling lagar so long as it had some bubbles in it? - ࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇
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THE WORST IS NO TOILET PAPER.
- Chud Anon
2 days ago
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Just like in your favela
- Anonymous
2 days ago
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what the frick are you talking about mate? It's naturally carbonated from the fermentation. Nobdy puts extra carbonation in beer.
- Anonymous
2 days ago
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Yes it was, they're lying.
